Huurwoningen.nl en scammers

Mar 2nd, 2011 by Kris in Bloggen

Huurwoningen.nl zijn uit op geld en het is overspoeld door oplichters.

Toen ik me registreerde op hun website werd dat al vlug duidelijk.

In de eerste plaats zijn ze uit op je geld (vieze SEM’ers ook trouwens!), omdat je om de contactgegevens van een verhuurder te weten te komen, je je niet alleen dient te registreren. Nee, er wordt ook ineens gevraagd naar je bankrekeningnummer. Vanaf je die invoert, en op OK klikt ga je ermee akkoord om hen 35 euro van je rekening af te halen. Je krijgt een Javascript popup te zien, maar die kan je niet annuleren. Je kan niet meer terug, je kan enkel OK bevestigen. Zulke praktijken zijn volgens mij niet zo eerlijk.

Een tweede punt is de inhoud van de site. Huurwoningen.nl lijkt meer een verzameling (aggregator) van aanbiedingen van diverse  makelaarssites. Zelfs aanbiedingen van Kamernet.nl vind ik erop terug. Het enige lichtpuntje is dat er af en toe ook particuliere vehuurders te vinden zijn. Dat gezegd zijnde rechtvaardigt absoluut niet het inschrijvingsgeld van 35 euro – bij Kamernet is het overigs maar 10 euro en oké, bij Directwonen vragen ze een maand voor intermediaire kosten.

Maar nu komt het: er zijn scammers actief op de website in kwestie.

We kwamen een zeer aantrekkelijke woning tegen. Teilingerstraat 35B. Pal in het centrum van Rotterdam. Foto’s zien er geweldig uit. Ideaal. Dit kan toch niet waar zijn?

We maken kennis met Song Chine. Zou het om een Chinees gaan?

Hello,
Bedankt voor uw interesse in mijn appartement. Helaas heb ik niet geschreven in het Nederlands, want ik spreek niet zeer goed en is beter te schrijven in het Engels. Als u problemen met het begrijpen mijn boodschap in het Engels, aarzel dan niet om contact met mij opnemen in het Nederlands, en ik zal mijn best doen om al uw vragen te beantwoorden. First of all I’m sorry for the late reply but I had a lot to work and this is the time I could give you a message. From the site add, you could see, that the apartment located in: Teilingerstraat 53 B, 3032AS, Rotterdam .  It is located on the 3nd floor. I am looking for someone to live in it, as soon as possible, because my company has won the auction for a project, in construction, for a building that will rise up in Firenze, Italy. I am a civil engineer, so my accommodation period in Italy will be about 4 years. The renting period is from 2 months up to 4 years. As a result of this I want to rent, for this period, at this price and also to find the perfect person for my apartment. I`m the owner of the apt and it’s like in the pics. The apartment is furnished, but I have the option of sending all my furniture into storage if you want to bring your own (no extra costs). The rent for 1 month is 650 Euro, but you must to deposit 750 euro/ 1 month 650 Eur + safety deposit of 100 Eur if anything is broken in the apartment during your stay i will keep the deposit, in total 750 Eur including all utilities (water, electricity, Internet, cable, parking, air conditioning, fireplace, dishwasher, garbage disposal, microwave, refrigerator). You can move in the apt in the same day when you receive the keys. The only problem is that I`m the only person who has the keys but I hope that we will find a solution.

Thank you for your interest and I will look forward to hearing from you soon.

With Respect,
Song Chine
Via del Pallone, 4
Firenze, 50131    Italy
P.S. Please tell me if this is what are you looking for and reply my only if you are truly interested in the apartment.

Waarop ik reply:

Hi Song,

Thank you for your e-mail.

We are very interested in this offer!

Can we arrange a meeting to visit the apartment anytime soon? I’m currently still in Czech Republic but will be back during the weekend.

Please let me know if you’re available then.

Thansk & Regards,
Kris

Waarop hij antwoord:

Dear Kris,
Thank you for your reply but the matter is that I’m in Firenze already, a beautiful country Czech Republic. I can deliver you the keys at Czech Republic.
Like I have inform you before, the price you shall pay for 1 month of rent + deposit will be 750eur with no extra taxes to pay. The money, I want to receive it monthly to my bank account, so I hope it will be no problem for you to wire the money to my bank account. The apartment is ready for you, you will need only to receive the keys and the contract to check it, and see if you like it. Obviously we need a way to complete this deal, that will allow us to make sure we receive what we are after. In order of that I have found a way for us to complete the deal safely and fast, and in this way you will receive the Keys in less than 2 days, if you move fast as well. The solution is provided by a company called Global Logistics which is similar to FedEx, TNT or UPS, which will handle both payment and delivery of the Keys. I have found a procedure that will allow you to pay for the rent of the apt only after you will receive the keys of it and through this way you will see it and decide if you will stay in the apt or not before I receive my payment. Please click on the link bellow to the Global Logistics website to see how we can complete the deal safely and fast directly from the website of the company where the procedure is explained: http://globalogisticweb.de.be/
Let me know if you are interested please because I really need to take care of this matter.
Thanks

With Respect,
Song Chine
Via del Pallone, 4,
Firenze, 50131 Italy

Zo zo, hij heeft al een oplossing gevonden. GlobaLogisticweb.de.be – website bestaat ondertussen niet meer. Wat een een rare website: een bedrijf dat een gratis .de.be registreert? En hij spreekt over Global Logistics Service? Dat stemt niet echt overeen met die website. Oogt me ook niet zo professioneel. En vergelijkbaar met TNT, FedEx en UPS? Nooit van gehoord! Even in de broncode duiken van GlobaLogisticweb.de.be leert me al snel dat er een iframe ingeladen wordt van de Global Logistic co dot com variant.

Toch maar de interesse opwekken bij onze Chinees.

Hi Song,

Thank you for your swift response.

I understand your hurry, but I have to think it over.

Could you please confirm the following: the rent is 650 euros but including everything it becomes 750? Or does it become 750 because of the insurance in case something is broken?

Please confirm accordingly.

Many thanks,
Kris

In het kort een antwoord ontvangen:

Dear Kris,
The rent is 650 with all utilities included. The rent become 750 only for the first month for the insurance if anything is broken, i have this deposit of 100 Eur.
I hope now everything is clear . If you want to know the steps how we can complete the delivery i wait your answer.

Thank you
Song

Mij een beetje proberen gerust te stellen door zijn adres niet te vermelden. Ik voel me absoluut niet op mijn gemak.

Hi Song,

Yes sounds interesting and is clear now. Please let me know what the next steps are to complete the delivery.

Can I phone you? What’s your phone number?

Please let me know.

Kind regards,
Kris

Oh, ook even opzoeken wat die Globalogistics juist is:

Using our service is easy. All you have to do is register with us. Once you have registered to us we will take you step-by-step through the entire process. The seller ships to the buyer after the exchange provider has the confirmed funds. When the buyer gets and approves of the item, the exchange provider releases the funds If the item is never delivered, the buyer gets his money back. If the buyer is not satisfied with the item, they may return it to the seller. The seller gets the item back, the exchange provider returns the money to the buyer.

Maar toch maar even hem overhalen om meer details bloot te geven want het begint écht interessant te worden. Laten we het spel meespelen.

Hi Song,

We are pretty sure that we’re going to take the apartment: the place looks really beautiful and is located in the center!

Just wondering if you also have washing machine and dryers installed?

You may post the keys to the following address:

(address)

Please let me know your phone number so that we can discuss further.

Thank you for your consideration.

Many thanks,
Kris

Onze Chinees antwoord:

Dear Kris,
Yes in the apartment is a washing machine and dryer .
I want to inform you that Global Logistics will hold the money until you will confirm to them that you like the apt and keep the keys. If you don’t like it, you only have to return the keys to them after they will refund the money to you and they will deliver the keys back to me on my expense.I will need to inform you the steps about how this service works and how we can make it happen. You will only have to deposit to Global Logistics Service for 1 month of rent + deposit – 750eur – so they can proceed with the shipping, and you can receive the keys and the contract. Like I said, I will pay for a 2 days delivery so you will receive the Keys and the contract signed by me right away. I will explain to you step by step how this will work:
1 – To start this transaction i will need to know your full shipping information, full name, full shipping address to proceed with this deal ( you already sent this data to me ).
2 – I go to the Global Logistics Office and leave the Keys and the contract in your name as the intended receiver.
3 – They will check the envelope to see if everything is OK with it and also the legal papers that will come along with the Keys.
4 – They will send you a delivery notification to let you know they have the Keys and the papers in their custody, in which you will be told that they have the Keys and that they checked it.
5 – At this point you will have to go to a Western Union Agent Location and make a money transfer deposit on the Global Logistics agent name assigned with this transaction for the amount we agreed, the total amount you shall deposit is for 1 month of rent + deposit.
6 – After you make the deposit you will have to send the info about the money deposit to Global Logistics (Reference Number, sender’s name and address)
7 – They will verify the payment information and if everything is in order they will deliver the Keys and the contract to you .
8 – After you receive the package, You will go and check the apt and in 2 days you must contact them and tell them if you keep the apt or not, if everything is in order you will instruct Global Logistics to release the funds to me. If you don’t like the apt they will send your money back and you will send them the keys and the contract to them to return the package back to me on my expense.
I will pay Global Logistics Service for the shipping and you will pay Western Union for the Money Transfer fees.
Now i must know for sure if you agree because here are a lot of peoples interested to have this apartment rented and i want to know for sure what i must tell them. If you agree what i suggested i will tell them that my apartment is already rented and i will keep it for you. If you agree then i must have all the shipping details so i will be able to make all the arrangements for the Global Logistics delivery.

With Respect,
Song Chine
Via del Pallone, 4,
Firenze, 50131 Italy

Oké. Ik weet genoeg.

Meer evidentie! ‘t Is altijd iets met die “Logistics”.

De laatste e-mail:

Hi Song,

That sounds good. Thanks for clarifying this.

Actually I happen to be on a business trip in Italy in a week or so. Can we possibly meet there. It would be perfect, as you can then hand over the key. That would be really helpful I think and I get to know you in person.

Also, please hand out your phone number so that we can talk to each other.

Thanks in advance.

Kind regards,
Kris

Uiteraard geen antwoord meer mogen ontvangen van deze frauduleuze Chinees.

Maar ik heb heel de situatie wel gemeld bij Huurwoningen! Het verbaasd met ontzettend dat zij geen procedure hebben om dergelijke scammers te melden. Dan maar gemaild:

Dear Huurwoningen,

Today we believe we came across a scam on your website.

It deals with the following advertisement: http://www.huurwoningen.nl/huren/rotterdam/101136/teilingerstraat/

The renter presents himself as “Song Chine”. He introduces himself as someone who moved to Italy very recently. Additionally, he is the only one that has the key to the apartment. He therefore asks to wire money to a dubious service called Global Logistics: http://globalogisticweb.com

Please take appropriate action.

Thanks & Regards,
Kris

Tot op heden is daar geen gehoor aan gegeven.  Overigens lijkt Huurwoningen.nl geplaagd te worden door scammers zoals uit volgende screenshot blijkt:

 

Mij vang je niet zomaar.

Update 1: in alle nieuwe aankondigingen, bij bezichtigingsinformatie staat het volgende bericht:

LET OP: Maak nooit geld over naar: “Globalogistic” of de “Western Union Bank” als de verhuurder vraagt om geld over te maken om erna de sleutels geleverd te krijgen. Krijgt u deze vraag, stuur deze mail door naar info@huurwoningen.nl

Update 2: Huurwoningen.nl reageert:

Beste Kris,

Wij van Huurwoningen.nl proberen hier tegenop te treden, maar het is erg moeilijk. Elke keer gebruiken ze een nieuw ip en zijn moeilijk te traceren. Wij hebben nu al meer dan 100 ip adressen geblokt en het schijnt te helpen, het worden er steeds minder. Dankzij de meldingen van onze bezoekers kunnen wij snel verhelpen.

Omdat het plaatsen van woningen gratis is, zal dit probleem zich altijd blijven voordoen, wij houden elke toegevoegd woning in de gaten en zullen direct optreden als we een melding krijgen.

Mvg,

Team Huurwoningen.nl

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  • Maurice

    Beste Kris!

    Dank voor deze blog, ook ik heb net n mail over appartement in Den Bosch gekregen, van Yunuz…..
    Heb maar teruggemaild dat ik nu toch voor haar adres in Firenze ga…;)

    Dank.

    Grt maurice.

  • Api128

    Everybody are so smart here but no one have any idea how to stop this!And that pisses me of becouse I WAS SCREWED for over 700 euros!!!I am not Dutch and I dont know what to do and where to turn to!police will not leasen to me,thay dont care about foregners and even if they do, thay cant do nothing to somebody who is in Itally!So I lose my money, that was 6 month ago, and now somehow in some magical way from my bank acooud disapeard over 2000 euro!!!no evidence, no name no banck acound!bank cant exsplain it-me nighder!I do have all the right to belive that it was the some person(s). i do belive thay are a hackers group and thay can easly deprive you all your savings!I just hope is any way to find them, is there somebode who can help me and the other victims???

  • Niet_ingetrapt

    Ik had recent met 2 van die oplichters te maken, ze adverteerden huizen onder de naam Mark Tholens (via marktplaats) en Frieda Sweet (via kamernet). Hieronder de mailtjes die ze stuurden: 

    Thank you for your interest. I just read your e-mail about my apartment.I am the owner of the apartment and it was used by me when I lived in Netherlands.Before we continue I would like to know a little something about you, such as how many people you intend to go to live in the apartment, and for how long.I do not have a problem with pets (I have a small dog myself).Now I’ll tell you something about the apartment and me so we can get to know each other a little better.The apartment looks exactly the pictures, fully furnished and renovated.Also very important to the utility companies (cold / hot water, electricity, wireless Internet, digital television, air conditioning, dishwasher, garbage disposal, microwave, refrigerator, washing machine, etc.) are included in the price of 600 EUR / month .The rent for 1 month is 600EUR, but you must deposit 1200euro/2months. You can have my furniture, but you can also create your own.If you decide your use, you have access to a very large and well-ventilated cellar, where you can be my furniture store.My name is Mark Tholens and I was working engineer designer in Netherlands but now I have a contract with my job for a long time for many years in United Kingdom, where I live and work in this moment. I have the key with me in United Kingdom because no one had lived in the apartment, but that’s no problem, because we solve this problem in a maximum of 48 hours, using an agency Rental-Estate from London .They will act as a third party in our transaction.Thank you for your interest and we look forward to friendly cooperation. 

    en 

    And sorry for responding a bit late but I was so busy these days and I could not reply you sooner..Hej!I am  Frieda, I am 41 years old woman and I worked as a lawyer in Rotterdam. My contract period there expired and now I’ve moved back to my born city (London, England), where I’ve opened my own lawyer office.Due to this fact, I am offering my apartment for rent from one month up to 4 years.The apartment is located in Beukelsdijk, Rotterdam. It has 2 bedroom, a living room, bathroom, kitchen and has 70m2.The apartment is fully furnished and fully equipped!I want to rent the apartment because I tried to sell it but I could not obtain a fair price due the financial crisis, so I’ve decided together with my family to rent it.The price for 1 month of rent is 450 euro with no extra costs and also includes all the utilities.As I said before, I am in London because I live and work here now and I am the only person who has the keys and the papers of the apartment but I have a solution to solve this problem, so you can move in the apartment as soon as you receive the keys.Thanks and would be nice to hear from you!Sincerely,Frieda Sweet 

  • Sheridin

    Beste Kris,

    bedankt voor bovenstaande info.
    Ik was er ook bijna ingetrapt.
    Niet te vergeten dat er op Huurda.nl de maandelijkse huur van € 380-, vermeld stond.

    Zie hieronder, alleen dit keer met een ander adres:

    RE: Informatieaanvraag via Huurda.nl‏
    4:37 PM

    Reply  ▼
     Michael Papst
     Add to contactsTo sheridin2000@hotmail.com
    Hello,    Bedankt voor uw interesse in mijn appartement. Helaas heb ik niet geschreven in het Nederlands, want ik spreek niet zeer goed en is beter te schrijven in het Engels. Als u problemen met het begrijpen mijn boodschap in het Engels, aarzel dan niet om contact met mij opnemen in het Nederlands, en ik zal mijn best doen om al uw vragen te beantwoorden. First of all I’m sorry for the late reply but I had a lot to work and this is the time I could give you a message. From the site add, you could see, that the apartment located in: Belgiestraat 34, 1363 BL Almere.  I am looking for someone to live in it, as soon as possible, because my company has won the auction for a project, in construction, for a building that will rise up in Glasgow, Scotland. I am a civil engineer, so my accommodation period in Scotland will be about 4 years. As a result of this I want to rent, for this period, at this price and also to find the perfect person for my apartment. I`m the owner of the apt and it’s like in the pics. The apartment is furnished, but I have the option of sending all my furniture into storage if you want to bring your own (no extra costs). The rent for 1 month is 450 Euro  including all utilities (water, electricity, Internet, cable, parking, air conditioning, dishwasher, garbage disposal, microwave, refrigerator). You can move in the apt in the same day when you receive the keys. The only problem is that I`m the only person who has the keys but I hope that we will find a solution.    Thank you for your interest and I will look forward to hearing from you soon.    With Respect,    Michael Papst    12 Duncan Ave     Glasgow, G14 9HB Scotland    P.S. Please tell me if this is what are you looking for and reply my only if you are truly interested in the apartment. Dit is duidelijk iets waarvoor ik naar het juridisch loket ga en research door mijn vrienden laat doen.Deze oplichters komen hier niet mee weg! Gr,Sheridin

  • Renske

    Deze zelfde persoon heeft mij afgelopen dagen ook geprobeerd op te lichten. Het ging om de Delftlaan 322 te Haarlem, terwijl de Delftlaan helemaal geen even nummers heeft. Ik reageerde op de advertentie via http://www.huurda.nl. Hij gebruikte hetzelfde verhaal. Hij is nu bezig onder de naam Luuka Doek en Jerre Kroesen. Even googelen op de naam Jerre Kroesen was voldoende om erachter te komen dat het om een oplichter gaat. Ik heb de betreffende e-mails naar de politie gebracht. Ik raad iedereen aan dat ook te doen.

  • Rikvlierhuis

    maargoed dat ik het adres even google, was ook te mooi om waar te zijn, die prijs: 

    Hello,
        Bedankt voor uw interesse in mijn appartement. Helaas heb ik niet geschreven in het Nederlands, want ik spreek niet zeer goed en is beter te schrijven in het Engels. Als u problemen met het begrijpen mijn boodschap in het Engels, aarzel dan niet om contact met mij opnemen in het Nederlands, en ik zal mijn best doen om al uw vragen te beantwoorden. First of all I’m sorry for the late reply but I had a lot to work and this is the time I could give you a message. From the site add, you could see, that the apartment located in: Delftlaan 322 II, 2024 CG Haarlem.  I am looking for someone to live in it, as soon as possible, because my company has won the auction for a project, in construction, for a building that will rise up in Bristol, United Kingdom. I am a civil engineer, so my accommodation period in UK will be about 4 years.  I`m the owner of the apt and it’s like in the pics. The apartment is furnished, but I have the option of sending all my furniture into storage if you want to bring your own (no extra costs). The rent for 1 month is 550 €, but you must to deposit 550 euro/ 1 month 550 Eur + safety deposit of 550 € if everything will be in order in the apartment during your stay you will receive it back the deposit when you will leave the apartment, in total 1.100 Eur including all utilities (water, electricity, Internet, cable, parking, air conditioning, dishwasher, garbage disposal, microwave, refrigerator). You can move in the apt in the same day when you receive the keys. The only problem is that I am the only person who has the keys but I hope that we will find a solution.     Thank you for your interest and I will look forward to hearing from you soon.    Rolf Granath

  • Colette
  • http://www.facebook.com/colette.ooms Colette Ooms
  • Missytatjana

    Vandaag de dag heet hij Rolf Granath en bied via marktplaats een woning aan de delftlaan in Haarlem (alweer). Thank god dat ik jullie commentaar lees voor dat ik geld overmaak! Thanks mensen!

  • Butterflyeffect1977

     Hoi,

    Ik heb hetzelfde meegemaakt, kwam via huurwoningen.nl ook in contact met allemaal oplichters. Ik wil daarom  mijn geld van huurwoningen terug maar dit weigeren ze. Wat een oplichters!

  • Vivian

    Zo erg bedankt voor deze info’s. Ik was eergisteren ook bijna erin getrapt met een bedrag van een paar duizend euro’s…:-S, ook zelfde geld transactie methode…wat mensen allemaal voor gratis geld doet….

  • Karen

    Bedankt, voor jullie input! Wilde mij net via huurwoningen.nl gaan aanmelden en bedacht mij toch om het e.e.a. te checken. Nogmaals bedankt!

    Met vriendelijke groet,
    Karen

  • ed

    niet alleen huurwoningen.nl, maar zelf ben ik via domica aan een huis gekomen en bij google zag ik dat zij berucht waren via programma oplichting. ben er nu zelf ook achter gekomen dat zij je bedonderen waar je bij staat, dus kijk uit!!!

  • Mirella

    Jep, nog een Connor Sealon. Stond via Huurda.nl op Trovit. Deze Connor Sealon vraagt via Western Union 900 euro borg over te maken, zodat de sleutels ter bezichtiging kunnen opgestuurd worden. Kreeg een mail van het zogenaamde tussenbureau Century 21 UK century21uk@live.com om het geld over te maken.

    Dus gecheckt via het mailadres op de officiële site van Century 21 UK, en die mailen dit terug:
    Please DO NOT send money – this is a scam. Nothing to do with Century21 United Kingdom.